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Derath Ellecon
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Posted - 2012.11.02 21:40:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Having lived in a C2 with C4/HS for the last 6 months I'm comfortable saying C4s are good money for people who don't have the manpower for/don't feel like running Capital Escalations in C5s.
You can expect about 100 million ISK per site. We run in 3-5 man gangs and this works out to about 5-10 sites completed per hour.
You will not be able to "solo" them efficiently in the traditional sense; if you run 3 accounts you can easily "solo box" them in 3 tengus, or 2 battleships with a Logistics.
They're quiet enough most of the time that you don't have to worry about incoming too much, but I have noticed in the last few months more corps moving into C5->C4s or C4->C4s to run down a chain looking for kills. Using any number of well-known survival tactics you can safely run sites in a C4 with as few as 3 people (sub-capitals) efficiently. If you run in the EU timezone, you don't want to do C4s; there are 3 or 4 huge Russian alliances that are buying up the C4/C3s and the C2/C4s and they're very active in that TZ in C4s. This has put a lot more traffic through C4s in the last 2 months or so during that time window.
Svo.
I have been quite successful so far running C4 sites dual boxing tengus. I have easily done 3 of the 4 anoms (haven't done integrated terminus yet). And I skip the radar/mag sites with the quad safeguard final wave. I can generally clear a site in about 18-20 minutes. I still prefer running in a fleet, but I also like being able to make isk when nobody is on.
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Derath Ellecon
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Posted - 2012.11.03 09:02:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote: Depending on the fit he's referring to, it's either remote rep shield fit, which is a little slow DPS wise, or local uber tank, which can be a bit expensive. Still good money though. Integrated Terminus' are the easiest btw; you'd roll them no problem, we used to do dual RR tengus for those.
Svo.
They are a little over a bil each, which IMO isn't terribly bad for a Tengu (certainly not a 2-3bil bling fit). As I said I can clear about 3 an hour with the setup. I still prefer running with friends, but I've never enjoyed living in any class WH where I couldn't do anything when nobody else was online. |

Derath Ellecon
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:26:00 -
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Rroff wrote:As several people hinted at about C4s are the sweet spot for 1-2 people with well rounded sub-cap skills (but don't have or aren't interested in moving into multiboxing capitals or joining a bigger corp). A small number of well organised/skilled characters can run thorugh C4s quite effectively without having to spread the payout over lots of people.
Routes to k-space are going to be an issue, a C3 static could potentially mean you can crash it constantly for 2 hours and find nothing but C3s with low/null links and incoming C4s before you find a d845, k162 from high or a low thats feasible for highsec logistics. But a C3 static gives you another chance to make ISK if your motivated as you won't have to crash many to find one with lots of sites built up.
There is apparently a wandering hole from C4/k-space, most people are of the opinion that it doesn't exist in the game, I'm not so sure myself as the chance of it appearing does mean you could sit in a C4 24x7 monitoring sigs for 2-3 years and never see one, but that does mean its pretty much irrelevant if it exists or not and no ones ever come forward and said they've seen one.
I'm not sure I buy all of this. A C4/C3 static could easily support a WH corp of the same size as a C2/C3, at least in terms of isk generation. Both can equally farm the static.
At least half of the inhabited C4's I have found recently have corps whos rosters are 30+. |

Derath Ellecon
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Posted - 2012.11.11 20:36:00 -
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Rroff wrote:To a degree yes - tho a 30man active corp in a C4 is wasting their time when they could be pulling in far more in a C5/6. C2/3 is better for a casual corp with mixed skills tho than a C4/3 as when activity is light then they don't have the potential to run local sites so easily - theres going to be some crossover tho. i.e. if they are very active in running their static then a C4/3 could make more sense.
True, Although as many have stated, it can be very difficult to find an available C2. Especially a C2/C3.
And an active corp could be making more in a C5/6 if they are a corp of vets with cap pilots. Granted I've never flown in a C5+ but it seems the money is better IF you can do the cap escalations. |
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